Da’Vonne Rogers is the second All-Star to head to the Big Brother jury house this season. We caught up with Da’Vonne following her eviction on Thursday (September 24) night to discuss how she’s struggling with Nicole’s decision to flip the vote on Ian, how the odds are stacked against people of colour in the game, and her iconic GIF.
Do you think Nicole came for more than just your wig? How much did you really trust her at the end?
Leaving the house, I did not trust her at all. I wanted her to know that I appreciated the steps that she was taking to rectify everything that had happened between her and I in season 18, but part of me still felt like [there was something off with the vote to evict Ian]. “Something is just not right!” Coming out of the house and finding out that she actually did flip on the vote. I’m struggling with that. There’s a lot of respect lost because I came to her personally [to ask]. On a personal level, I’m struggling right now. Who knows what’s going to happen at the end of this game, but right now in this moment, I’m definitely struggling.
She had you accusing David, something that you were not comfortable doing. Will you talk about it with Ian?
This one is hard… because, personally, it was a struggle. I explained to Nicole how important it was for me to not argue and bash David on national television. I didn’t want to do that. I did not want that at all. I explained that to her, but she was still compelled to lie to me. I had even given her an out for game purposes, where she could still tell me the truth and not sabotage her game. Again, I’m struggling with it right now. I will forgive her, of course, but a conversation is going to have to happen. I’m feeling that she felt that her game was more important than me asking her to take my morals into consideration. She felt like this game was more important than that bigger picture. So that I have a problem with.
Tyler and Nicole both admitted to the alliance of six, did this revelation do them favours (with the way you’d vote) as you head to jury?
I love when people tell me the truth about what’s going on! One, because I’m nosy! [Laughs] So, I finally get to know what’s going on. And two, because it confirmed what I already knew. I knew there was this big alliance and the only person [in it] that I didn’t know about was Memphis. That caught me off guard. But everyone else [in it] were obvious because they’d meet in public and would have meetings in the same rooms. They weren’t slick about it.
I think that it did help, going into the jury house. But they both have other personal layers that conflict with what they’ve got going on in the game. So, for me, personally, I don’t know. We’ll see how this season goes. I don’t see myself putting either one of their keys in the box right now. I don’t see it!
You’ve said that people of colour are at a disadvantage in this game. Can you talk more about why that is and what steps could be taken to stop that?
I do feel that people of colour are at a very high disadvantage in the game. We’re coming into this environment and there are 16 castmates and there are only one or two, or in this case 4, that look like me. Then we have all the rest of them who are able to mix and mingle. They’re immediately able to gravitate towards each other and can easily acclimate. Tyler comes in the house and everyone gravitates towards him. Nicole is Nicole and everyone immediately gravitates towards her. But for me, it’s like “Oh, I’ve got to feel her out. I’ve got to see what she’s about.” You would see Dani, Tyler, Nicole and Cody just out, having fun, enjoying the summer. We would whisper about it and say, “Something is going on [between them].” But with us, on day one, Bayleigh and I couldn’t even say “Hey girl! How are you doing? Nice to meet you!” without people saying, “We know you guys are going to play together.”
It was vocally said that us two were going to work together. And we were like “Why, because we’re black?” [Laughs] “So we’re automatically going to work together? I don’t know if I like this girl or not!” It got to the point where Bayleigh and I couldn’t even just hang out without people assuming that we were doing stuff [game related]. We couldn’t do anything, without people saying “We know you’re working together, it’s automatic that you guys are working together.” Because they know, that if there’s more than one of us here, we’re going to gravitate towards each other because we’ve got to hold each other today. If not, we’re going to be picked off.
It sucks! It sucks that in this game, African Americans are out pre-jury or we’re the first person in the jury house. We haven’t been seen sitting in the final two chairs since Danielle Reyes in Season 3. It’s Season 22! So, that’s a problem. Just in like real life. We have to work harder than everybody else. It is an uphill battle. It’s a struggle. It’s discouraging… but we come in and we fight! We fight like hell.
I do agree that there should be more inside the house. It’s not fair or even across the board. I would love to come in the Big Brother house where there’s 16 [players] and there’s 8 of us. Just make it even. I doesn’t even have to be 8 because that’s an exaggeration. Just give us a shot so that we don’t have to be the targets. Bayleigh left pre-jury because “somebody had to go.” They had to get one of us out. I would have been the first person in jury, but I won that veto. Praise God that I won that veto! Now, the next week, here I am. I’m concerned about David. But we’ll see. I hope that more of us can get cast. I’m concerned about Kevin too.
I thought that coming into this season, I thought that if there more of us coming in together [we might have stood a chance], but that didn’t really work. It’s hard to play this game as a person of colour. It’s hard… But, it’s not impossible!
Your previous eviction is an iconic GIF. When did you realize how popular it was on the Internet? It is pure joy. SO many people love to use it, even if they’ve never watched Big Brother!
It’s so crazy! This GIF literally hit and ran! People would never know it’s from Big Brother unless you watch the show. I have had people who have come up to me in public and say “You’re that girl…that girl from…” I’d go, “Yeah, I’ve played that season of Big Brother!” And they’re like “No, what? You’re that girl with the door! You’re coming out of the door!”
I get recognized for the GIF more than the actual show! I didn’t realize that it had taken off, because it took off when I was in Season 18 and that was my exit from Season 17. So, when I got off the show, everyone was like “Do you know that you’re a viral GIF?” and I was like, “What did I do?”
So, when I found out that it was my eviction [clip] from Season 17, I was like, “Wow!” I see it everywhere. I do wish I could collect the cheque every time it’s used! I would love to get the coin! I love it though; I think it’s so fun.
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![Tracey, what can you tell us about your latest line?
Tracey: I always love to use the Om symbol and the peace signs are back this collection. I always love to connect with it spiritually and everything that I design really has meaning for me.
You’ve also got some friends, including Sharon Osborne, who are stealing your rings!
Tracey: Right, exactly! It’s very flattering when Sharon Osborne and some of my friends literally steal them off of my hands.
Daniel, what’s new with the watches? Daniel: We hit the blockbuster [on the show] with the Avalon series, ladies diamond dial with a mother of pearl face and leather strap.
We spoke last time how women would wear the men’s line, but now Aquaswiss has come out with a line for women.
Daniel: Yeah, we’ve got a women’s line that we’ve introduced. We’re also going to come back in December with sunglasses as well and men’s belts. So it’s expanding. We’ve had really good shows and we’ve sold out of the blockbuster. It’s very unisex. We’ve found out that a lot of women are wearing men’s watches because they’re strong.
There was a James Bond-inspired one that caught my eye.
Daniel: We have one that’s fully automatic where you can look through the front and see straight through the back, you see all the Swiss-made mechanics on the inside. It’s also got a two-year warranty, which I think instill the belief of it being a well-made product, if not, you wouldn’t put two years on it.
How hands on are you with the design: Daniel: Basically, I met with them and we decided to change a lot of the straps based on what I thought would do well and what did do well. We’re also coming back in February with another line that I was really hands on with.
Who’s idea was it to expand with sunglasses and belts?
Daniel: I talked to The Shopping Channel and said, they’re [Aquaswiss] doing glasses and I think it would be something that we could sell here because the glasses are very unisex as well. They’ve kinda got a Ray Ban thing going on and a very up-market with a Gucci look as well.
The Shopping Channel had an amazing idea to have this double header Y&R weekend with the both of you. How did this come about? Daniel: I think it started back last year around TIFF when I came and saw Tracey.
Tracey: We had dinner and I said, “Why don’t you come over [to the studio]?” He then surprised me on air.
Daniel: From the first day that I met Tracey, at the bottom of the stairs with Adrienne Frantz (ex-Amber), we’ve always had a good rapport.
Tracey: Definitely! We’ve been friends since the beginning.
Daniel: We can sit in a room in silence and not speak. That to me, is the tempo on how well you like somebody.
Tracey: Yeah right! [Laughs] Do you think there’s a moment of silence ever between us?
True, this guy’s dropping “g-spot” on live Canadian television.
Daniel: Look, for me there’s two ways to look at it: I could either sell a product or make it a fun show where you also sell a product! I’ve watched Tracey sell and she’s very enthusiastic. She understands the product very well but she also has a lot of fun.
Tracey: Thanks…and he definitely adds his own spin on it!
The behind-the-scenes events at Y&R were far more entertaining than what was happening on screen. A lot of changes at Y&R: Maria Bell is out, Jill Faren Phelps is in as EP and Josh Griffiths is back as HW. What's this transition been like?
Daniel: I think Y&R at the moment has a very very positive feel.
Tracey: Yes, very.
Daniel: I don’t think there’s a single person there that doesn’t feel that we are moving in a very positive direction. Josh, who was there years ago…
Tracey: He understands the history of our show.
Daniel: His ratings were very solid after Lynn Marie Latham left. Josh came in and single handedly crafted episodes during the 2007-2008 Writer’s Strike and ratings went up under him.
Tracey: He was amazing.
Daniel: He understands how to write for all the demographics, for all the characters and I think that the thing about Josh that’s a great asset to the show is that he’s married to the love of his life and has two beautiful daughters. As a man, he understands what women want verses someone who is kind of cut off from the real world and is trying to forge stories based upon what they think the world likes to see. Fans and critics assumed Maria would be there until the end or until she wanted to leave on her own since she was a Bell, were you surprised by Sony's decision to let her go? Tracey: Completely! I never saw that coming.
Honestly, what took so long? Ratings were in decline, fans and critics were not happy with the stories. In fact, actors were not happy either. I don't know if you watch 30 Rock, but in the season premiere, Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin's characters team up to tank NBC in order to "save it," do you think that Sony let things get so bad on purpose, just so they could finally get rid of Maria?
Tracey: You know, we’re getting into very sticky territory that I am not…
Daniel: I do think that there is a feel[ing] when you go into work now, that you’re going somewhere where what you’re doing is important. The cast, the crew, everybody. I have to say that Jill Phelps has come in and she has a very solid understanding of what works and what can be improved to make the show better. I think she’s been received pretty well by everybody.
JFP has this reputation, what were your first thoughts when you found out she was joining the show? She was held responsible for the deaths of a lot of legacy characters on others shows including Maureen Bauer on Guiding Light and later Frankie Frame on Another World (even though she recently came out and said that Frankie’s death wasn’t her fault). A lot of viewers have associated her with those deaths, as well as with how bad things at General Hospital got.
Daniel: I remember the last time you and I talked and you asked me what I would do to fix the show and I’ve seen Jill’s vision and ironically, I think we’re very simpatico. I think the history and future of the show depends on securing the viewers we currently have and bringing viewers in. There’s only one way to do that and that is to create compelling dramatic stories. Romance, love, betrayal, drama – all the good things, but there has to be a balance. Then you bring in new viewers by allowing them to know that they can escape their daily life and come somewhere where they have that feeling of levity. I don’t think you can doom and gloom people for so long. I think Jill understands that and the combination of Jill and Josh together is a wonderful thing for the show.
Tracey, you've been a Bell player for pretty much your entire soap career, while other soaps are used to regime changes, B&B and Y&R not so much.
Tracey: It’s very interesting. Well, we didn’t have a Bell at the helm during the Lynn Latham regime. For me, Bill’s passing and the end of Bill’s regime was the end of an era. When you look at how many people it now takes to do his one job, he was an extraordinary man! I don’t know anybody else who could actually do everything that he did. I actually think it’s a good thing that we now have a head writer and an executive producer because it’s an unbelievably all-encompassing job! Bill was an amazing man.
Daniel: I had never met Bill, but I have never heard anybody every say anything other than what Tracey just said. Every single person at CBS, we’re talking about people in the camera crew, whose kids now work there now that they’ve grown up, every single person would say, “He’s a man’s man, he’s like a father or a brother.” Literally, every single person has said that. You think about the ability to put out that much material!
Tracey: I don’t know how he did it and had such an incredible life. The children and he and Lee raised…
Daniel: He was dedicated to show. That was his existence.
Tracey: But he also had balance as well. I know he lived that show and had to as well, because of the amount of work, but he and Lee raised such incredible and wonderful kids. They’re just so loving and talented. He was able to have it all.
Daniel: That’s one thing about Laura Lee [Bell; Christine]. She’s so unpretentious. She is so sweet, so kind.
Tracey: They all are.
Daniel: Look at Brad with his love for B&B.
Tracey: It’s amazing. I’ve worked for Brad. He’s awesome.
Daniel: I would have liked to meet him [Bill Bell Sr.]
Tracey: You would have loved him.
The show is also losing a number of actors, including Genie Francis. Daniel, you've spoken very highly of your working relationship with her. I'm sure you are sad to see her go. How is she doing?
Daniel: It’s sad to see Genie leave. I’ll miss her. I think if you look at the characters, and I say characters, because it’s never personal, but if you look at the characters that have been let go, it’s players who have been brought in from other shows, which gives Y&R viewers a semblance of understanding that we’re talking about taking a show that viewers love forward. I’ve heard a lot of people say, “This is our show, we want to see more of this person, that person, why are we seeing characters we don’t know when we could see characters that we’ve known and loved for decades?”
Tracey: Well, that’s just it. The bottom line is that an audience cannot connect emotionally unless you’re seeing that character on camera at least several times a week. If you’re not seeing that character every week, how can you feel for what they’re going through, no matter how good the actor is? So I think that with the paring down, no matter how sad or hard it is, you’ll get to see the entire cast now on camera weekly.
The character that connects both your characters, Jill Foster, is finally coming back. Jess Walton has returned to the set after half a year off.
Tracey: Yes! My sister! I’m so happy to see her.
Are there any long-term plans to keep Jill/Jess around?
Daniel: I think it’s whatever Jess wants. Everyone at the helm now has such a true understanding of the worth the people like Jess have, what they bring to the show, her love of the show. When I read the first script that had Jess back, I as Daniel was so excited to have her there. As sad as I am to see Genie go, I’m so happy to have Jess back. Jess Walton is the reason I’m there. She and Devon Owens were talking about a character and spoke to Lynn about it and that’s how the character of Cane came about. I’m eternally indebted to Jess. Just from the very first moment I met her, just feel like we have a connection and I just couldn’t wait to have her back on set.
Crystel Khalil was recently in intense contract negotiations. Is she on contract or recurring?
Daniel: I can’t discuss her contract, but I’m incredibly happy that Crystel is going to be around. There's no doubt that Cane/Lily are a popular pairing, but they've pretty much been through everything. Do you feel that as an actor, that pairing has limited storyline potential for you character? Daniel: No, no I don’t. I think that storylines always stem from a writer’s creativity. It just comes from the writer’s ability to see that there is drama outside of a relationship. Y&R is two things: it’s bedroom and boardroom. Men go to work and do their thing, they come home to their women. The women go to work and then come home to their men as well. The bottom line is this: Cane and Lily have gone through a lot of drama, and I hear from a fan base “Why can’t we have a coupling like Michael and Lauren, that we as women go ‘That is sort of a man I wish that I had in my life. Who loves and does anything he can to take care of his woman. That makes me want to watch.’” Then you can have drama outside of it and I think that’s what’s coming along. Tracey: Right, to have a happy relationship is wonderful, but we like to see those relationships work and see why they’re happy. In recent years, Lauren & Michael have been the most stable couples on the show. We see them as a family unit now with the aging of Fen. What has that been like? We've seen this new side of Christian LeBlanc with Fen, Michael's very sweet and protective. You got to miss out on having teen angst stories with Lauren's elder son, Scotty, are you looking forward to playing that that soapy teen angst with Fen? Tracey: Right, exactly. Well, Max, who plays Fen is fabulous and unbelievably talented. He was in High School Musical and Newsies on stage. He’s an amazing gymnast and all that stuff! So, he’s wonderful. You know, I’m just excited to do something with meaning. I know what the storyline is that’s coming up and I am very excited to do it. I think that the viewers are really going to be amazed at this story. We've seen this new side of Christian LeBlanc with Fen, Michael's very sweet and protective. Tracey: Oh yeah! And that’s awesome. Daniel: And that’s exactly what we’re talking about. You don’t have to have every father on the show sleeping on the show with other women and not being a good father. It’s about balance and I think that’s one of the great things we have when you look at someone like Cane and Michael Baldwin. Then there’s the story when you had Paul kill his own son. I think that you need a mix of characters. And that story wasn’t received well. Daniel: Killing his own son? Ricky could have been a legacy character. He along with Heather are the next generation of the Williams family. You also don’t just kill off Eva Longoria’s former character’s son! Daniel: I really do have a lot of joy now when it comes to the future of what’s going to happy. Everyone is in a really good place. With Josh Griffith’s work starting to air these past couple of weeks, you can really see a shift from plot-driven stories to more character-based storylines. Daniel: There are two schools of writing. There’s plot-based and then there’s character-based. The problem with writing plot-based is that while you can come up with some great moments where you within that would have characters that could fill those moments. I think writing character-based, allows an actor to bring an entirely new sense of emotion. “Why do I feel this way? I have to do this thing that is plot-based, but here is why I have to do it or don’t want to do it.” Then it allows the character to express that, which is only going to make the audience say, “I feel for that person. I understand and relate to that. I want to see that journey.” Which is going to secure your viewers and make them say to people who have stopped watching the show, “Have you seen what so and so is doing lately? They’re going through this. You should tune back in and see that!” We want to bring the viewers back that have turned off…and then bring in new viewers who haven’t watched yet. I truly believe that this regime under Jill and Josh…it’s really good. We have a new producer as well, Mary O’Leary, who’s in the booth. Instantly, I’ll get notes on something and her notes are fantastic. Their real notes based upon real human emotion and you don’t get the feeling that we’re putting out product based upon time constraints of having to get it done. We’re getting it done within those time constraints, but there’s a genuine feeling now of “we’re making something special.” There’s some great stuff coming up with Jill’s return and for me, it’s going back to character-based drama. And as an actor, there’s nothing you want more than that.](https://i0.wp.com/www.thetvwatercooler.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/32d6c7dde28a797a72cf591b4f33b6.jpg?fit=110%2C96&ssl=1)
